I need a sire and a dam for my horses

[Blue Grass]

Okay... Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to put pictures on here, so if you want to see pictures you'll have to explain how to put them on. Here they are:

Name: Cheveyo
Color: Dunalino
Gender: Stallion
Markings: Blaze
Breed: Salerno

Name: My Lovely Thistle
Color: Flaxen Chestnut
Gender: Mare
Markings: Blaze, 4 Stockings
Breed: Arabian

Okay, that's all I want to do for now. I you have any more questions about them, ask.

[highroller21]

If you have a photobucket account, use the link to post pictures.

You can check out my site at www.piedpiperranch.net
I do have pictures upon request

[Firefly]

You probably might have wanted to put this is the pedigree assignment thread instead I can't move it for you but maybe Kay can?

As far as parents, you might want to keep in mind that not all breeds can be all colors, particularly that Arabs can't be palomino. It just isn't in their gene pool. If your mare is dark enough she can probably pass as a flaxen chestnut, which is a color Arabs can be, otherwise you might consider making her a cross. I have a lovely flaxen chestnut Arab mare Rebel Angel: seasidecrossingstable.weebly.com/rebel-angel.html , and paired with my stallion Somethin' Fancy ( seasidecrossingstable.weebly.com/somethin-fancy.html ) , she could produce a foal of the same color.

Hope this helps! Feel free to look through my horses, also.

[Blue Grass]

Thank you! Now that I know there's a pedigree assignment thread, I'll put any others I have in it. I know that not all breeds can be all colors, but what I read looked like Arabs could be palominos. I don't think she's dark enough to be flaxen chestnut so I suppose she maybe could be a cross... I'll have to look into that. thanks you for telling me though! I don't have a photo bucket account so, if that's the only way to put pictures on here, I may not be able to. I like your horses, Firefly. If I can figure out a way to put picture on here without photo bucket I'll put a picture of her on so you can see it. Maybe she is dark enough to be a flaxen chestnut. Thanks again!

[Blue Grass]

Okay, I did some research and found out that many Arabians are, in fact palominos. So I'm sticking with her breed and color. Thanks for your input though! I also found out that the "most favored" cross to produce a palomino is a chestnut bred with a palomino, or a chestnut bred with a cream or albino. The mare would be perfect, but I didn't see any Arab stallies of the right color. Unless there are other colors that can produce one. I'm not entirely positive. Haha! Anyway, I'd like to use the mare if it's okay with you. Thanks again!

[Courtney]

Actually, Firefly was correct. According to the Arabian Horse Association, purebred Arabians can't be palominos. They don't have the cream gene in their genetics.

"The Association records the following coat colors: bay, chestnut, grey, black, and roan"
The Arabian Horse Association that registers Arabians only allows those five colors. Here is a link so you can check it out:
www.arabianhorses.org/registration/Markings/Index.asp

Most palomino Arabians are half-breds, meaning they were bred from (probably) a chestnut Arabian and a palomino of another breed, such as a Quarter Horse.

Hope that helps!

[Firefly]

Dec 29, 2010 17:57:06 GMT -5 Blue Grass said:

Unless there are other colors that can produce one. I'm not entirely positive. Haha! Anyway, I'd like to use the mare if it's okay with you. Thanks again!

As far as the mare, a bay stallion and a flaxen chestnut mare (base color chestnut) have a 58% chance of a bay foal, 33% chance for a chestnut, and 8% for a black, based on this color calculator: www.animalgenetics.us/ccalculator1.asp

Just put it the sire as bay and the dam as chestnut/sorrel and you will see

Courtney, that's where I found all my information on Arabs too.

If photobucket isn't working, try tinypic.com . It can also resize your image for you. Just upload your photo and post the BB code here

[silvermoon]

I have a bay Egyptian Arab stallion that just migt work. His page is here: silver-moon-breyer.weebly.com/egyptian-arabian.html
His color genotypes are Ee/Aa, which means that (bred to a palomino) he has 25% chance to breed a palomino foal. Though, it depends on the genotypes of the mare too.

[Blue Grass]

Haha! We were both right in two different ways! You two were right that an Arabian can't be a "true" palomino because it doesn't carry the cream gene. But - According to another place on the website you gave me and according to the Palomino Horse Breeders of America (PHBA) an Arab - or any breed - can be registered as a palomino if it's the right shade of flaxen chestnut, even though it's not true. Many breeds can have a palomino coloring without being "true" and can still be registered as a palomino. Since it can be registered as palomino, you could call it that. I do know that she wouldn't be a true palomino but I'm still sticking to her color and breed. Anyway, here are the links to my info if you want to look at it more.
www.palominohba.com/about
secure.arabianhorses.org/forum/index.php?topic=2971.0 This one's a little ways down the page - posted by Kheepnthefaith

I'll try tinypic to but a few pictures on here. I used it once befor but couldn't remember the name of the website! Haha! Silvermoon, I love your stallion! But I still really like Rebel Angel. Can I maybe use Soliantu and Rebel Angel for her parents? I'll get a couple pictures on as soon as I can.

[highroller21]

you could also try imageshake

imageshack..........not shake.....my bad

[Blue Grass]

I hope these work! I didn't know what the BB code was so I did this one.

Cheveyo



My Lovely Thistle

[pookaa]

Just to clarify what others have said here, the cream gene does not exist in Arabians. Regardless of how they look - or what color Breyer or Stone paint them - there is no such thing as a purebred palomino Arabian.

That said, you can call your horse any number of things:
- Purebred chestnut Arabian. I have seen many of them that could easily pass as palominos.
- Partbred - you can specify what breeds are used or just leave it vague (if you specify breeds, make sure at least one of them has the cream gene).
- Other Pure Breed - NSH comes to mind, as it has its own breed registry, Arabians are half of its foundation, and palomino is a recognized color. I have a Hagen Renaker Arabian that I show as a NSH:



As respects the Palomino Horse Breeders of America (PHBA), understand that this is a COLOR registry, not a breed. Yes, they willl register any horse that looks like a palomino, regardless of breed. But you could not enter this horse in a show in the Arabian breed class, since the PHBA is not a BREED registry.

I hope that's not coming off too strong! I just don't want you to enter your horse incorrectly and have it DQd.

Cheers,
Kay

[Blue Grass]

Thank you! I do understand that the PHBA is a color registry. I also understand that she isn't a "true" palomino and (now) that she couldn't be entered as one. Though I'm not positive what you meant that she couldn't be entered as an Arab. I was meaning that she could be registered as a palomino and therefor my mistake in her info could be overlooked for the time being. I'd change it up there if I could. Except I'd call her a palomino if she was registered as one. I'd also note that she is a flaxen chestnut. I'm sorry if I was unclear about what I was saying!

Thanks for your concern on me entering her wrong! I'm new to this and hadn't even thought about how I would enter her. Thanks for the help! I appreciate it!

[pookaa]

Dec 31, 2010 18:41:41 GMT -5 Blue Grass said:

Thank you! I do understand that the PHBA is a color registry. I also understand that she isn't a "true" palomino and (now) that she couldn't be entered as one. Though I'm not positive what you meant that she couldn't be entered as an Arab. I was meaning that she could be registered as a palomino and therefor my mistake in her info could be overlooked for the time being. I'd change it up there if I could. Except I'd call her a palomino if she was registered as one. I'd also note that she is a flaxen chestnut. I'm sorry if I was unclear about what I was saying!

Thanks for your concern on me entering her wrong! I'm new to this and hadn't even thought about how I would enter her. Thanks for the help! I appreciate it!

Sorry if I was confusing! You can enter her in the Arabian Breed classes if she is designated as a "chestnut" Arabian. ;D

Cheers,
Kay

[Blue Grass]

Haha! Okay! If and when I enter her, I'll do that.